Yesterday, for obvious reasons, Twitter seemed to experience a rapid, uncoordinated and jerking St Vitus Dance of expressions in which a compulsive need to say something was combined with a dysarthric inability to say anything sensible.
However, amongst all the dross were a few interesting threads.
In particular I was intrigued by an exchange between Phillip Blond (head of the thinktank ResPublica and with 12,179 Twitter followers) and Aditya Chakrabortty (Guardian journalist with 13,721 Twitter followers).
I have laid out the conversation below (Twitter is bitty, so apologies if I have missed out any comments). Phillip Blond came across (to me) as an unworldly academic musing aloud in a virtual Senior Common Room. Aditya Chakrabortty was more jittery, as if bursting to say something yet not quite trusting himself to say what was most appropriate (perhaps on that evening he most wanted to be inappropriate?).
Phillip Blond
Britain became the most important modern nation because we never believed in race as the principal of political identification
Aditya Chakrabortty
Philip, this is utter balls. Read your imperial history.
Phillip Blond
one might argue the take over of the British East India Company by the British state was an act of imperial care
Aditya Chakrabortty
The murderous suppression of the Mau Mau: Churchill's class instinct twitching again.
Phillip Blond
not everything evil is racism and nor does racism cover every evil
Aditya Chakrabortty
I've never accused the Wests of being racist. But try dealing with the points raised. Start with a few highlights. Amritsar.
Phillip Blond
Amristar was an insane officer ordering a mass shooting he was probably racist as well but that does not mean a state policy
Phillip Blond
imperialism can also secure rights and operate against racism - Empire is a paradoxical inheritance
“Renatus84” (a random American butting in - there were several of these interlopers, none of them adding anything helpful - note the over-familiar way in which he addresses Phillip Blond by his first name)
You know why loads of foreigners have a love-hate relationship with Britain, Phillip? Shit like this.
Phillip Blond
being abusive will not convince I am saying the idea that Britain's imperial legacy is simply racist is infantile
Aditya Chakrabortty
let me end here: Ashis Nandy's great Intimate Enemy talks of how the british empire, and its view of inferior races left the british with a sense of racism that they are still struggling with (and perhaps still applying to Britons). Night.
The above is a very truncated version of what was being said. There were many points and sub-points that I have not included. I have provided Twitter addresses at the end of this post in case you want to do any further reading.
So in synopsis: in reaction to the events of yesterday Phillip Blond began making comments about the inclusivity of British society and arguing (perhaps unwisely on that evening and in that forum) that the British historical record largely supported his view. Aditya Chakrabortty challenged him on this thesis, telling him to "read your imperial history". The Amritsar episode of 1919 is referred to, and the behaviour of General Dyer is discussed.
So let us do what Aditya Chakrabortty advises and deal with the points raised. Specifically the Amritsar episode of 1919. How does that relate to what happened in Woolwich yesterday?
One interpretation is that General Dyer was a bloodthirsty British imperialist and murderer, a white Christian who killed brown Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus to secure the on-going British hegemony over India.
But Reginald Dyer was also a third generation Indian (born in India, to Indian-born parents) who lived his life in a cultural bubble, made no attempt to integrate with the mainstream community around him, and in a moment of crisis turned his weapons on his fellow Indians.
And although General Dyer was undoubtedly "British" so were the people he killed - indeed a quarter of the world's population in 1919 were subjects of the British Crown. Geographically General Dyer's family came from southern Ireland. If reparations are to be paid for the behaviour of General Dyer presumably the application should be sent to the successor government in Dublin since they would have assumed responsibility for the behaviour of the Irish quota of imperialists.
Aditya Chakrabortty, in his final contribution of the evening, said (quoting an author he admires): "the british empire, and its view of inferior races left the british with a sense of racism that they are still struggling with (and perhaps still applying to Britons)".
The implication of this line is inescapable in the context of yesterday's events in Woolwich. The killing of a British person in Woolwich yesterday was payback for British imperialism. Look at what happened at Amritsar in 1919 if you want to understand Woolwich in 2013.
But I think we should say to Aditya Chakrabortty "read your imperial history" - the Woolwich killer resembles General Dyer far more closely than you are admitting.
https://twitter.com/Phillip_Blond
https://twitter.com/chakrabortty
https://twitter.com/Renatus84
However, amongst all the dross were a few interesting threads.
In particular I was intrigued by an exchange between Phillip Blond (head of the thinktank ResPublica and with 12,179 Twitter followers) and Aditya Chakrabortty (Guardian journalist with 13,721 Twitter followers).
I have laid out the conversation below (Twitter is bitty, so apologies if I have missed out any comments). Phillip Blond came across (to me) as an unworldly academic musing aloud in a virtual Senior Common Room. Aditya Chakrabortty was more jittery, as if bursting to say something yet not quite trusting himself to say what was most appropriate (perhaps on that evening he most wanted to be inappropriate?).
Phillip Blond
Britain became the most important modern nation because we never believed in race as the principal of political identification
Aditya Chakrabortty
Philip, this is utter balls. Read your imperial history.
Phillip Blond
one might argue the take over of the British East India Company by the British state was an act of imperial care
Aditya Chakrabortty
The murderous suppression of the Mau Mau: Churchill's class instinct twitching again.
Phillip Blond
not everything evil is racism and nor does racism cover every evil
Aditya Chakrabortty
I've never accused the Wests of being racist. But try dealing with the points raised. Start with a few highlights. Amritsar.
Phillip Blond
Amristar was an insane officer ordering a mass shooting he was probably racist as well but that does not mean a state policy
Phillip Blond
imperialism can also secure rights and operate against racism - Empire is a paradoxical inheritance
“Renatus84” (a random American butting in - there were several of these interlopers, none of them adding anything helpful - note the over-familiar way in which he addresses Phillip Blond by his first name)
You know why loads of foreigners have a love-hate relationship with Britain, Phillip? Shit like this.
Phillip Blond
being abusive will not convince I am saying the idea that Britain's imperial legacy is simply racist is infantile
Aditya Chakrabortty
let me end here: Ashis Nandy's great Intimate Enemy talks of how the british empire, and its view of inferior races left the british with a sense of racism that they are still struggling with (and perhaps still applying to Britons). Night.
The above is a very truncated version of what was being said. There were many points and sub-points that I have not included. I have provided Twitter addresses at the end of this post in case you want to do any further reading.
So in synopsis: in reaction to the events of yesterday Phillip Blond began making comments about the inclusivity of British society and arguing (perhaps unwisely on that evening and in that forum) that the British historical record largely supported his view. Aditya Chakrabortty challenged him on this thesis, telling him to "read your imperial history". The Amritsar episode of 1919 is referred to, and the behaviour of General Dyer is discussed.
So let us do what Aditya Chakrabortty advises and deal with the points raised. Specifically the Amritsar episode of 1919. How does that relate to what happened in Woolwich yesterday?
One interpretation is that General Dyer was a bloodthirsty British imperialist and murderer, a white Christian who killed brown Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus to secure the on-going British hegemony over India.
But Reginald Dyer was also a third generation Indian (born in India, to Indian-born parents) who lived his life in a cultural bubble, made no attempt to integrate with the mainstream community around him, and in a moment of crisis turned his weapons on his fellow Indians.
And although General Dyer was undoubtedly "British" so were the people he killed - indeed a quarter of the world's population in 1919 were subjects of the British Crown. Geographically General Dyer's family came from southern Ireland. If reparations are to be paid for the behaviour of General Dyer presumably the application should be sent to the successor government in Dublin since they would have assumed responsibility for the behaviour of the Irish quota of imperialists.
Aditya Chakrabortty, in his final contribution of the evening, said (quoting an author he admires): "the british empire, and its view of inferior races left the british with a sense of racism that they are still struggling with (and perhaps still applying to Britons)".
The implication of this line is inescapable in the context of yesterday's events in Woolwich. The killing of a British person in Woolwich yesterday was payback for British imperialism. Look at what happened at Amritsar in 1919 if you want to understand Woolwich in 2013.
But I think we should say to Aditya Chakrabortty "read your imperial history" - the Woolwich killer resembles General Dyer far more closely than you are admitting.
https://twitter.com/Phillip_Blond
https://twitter.com/chakrabortty
https://twitter.com/Renatus84


















